tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-117416349695015821.post8457621227216358572..comments2023-09-28T10:47:50.691+01:00Comments on JAMES BOND MEMES: More on the shaken not stirred debateComtessahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15045274806223412751noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-117416349695015821.post-62087506249701041552014-04-14T12:26:34.501+01:002014-04-14T12:26:34.501+01:00Actually I don't know about YOLT as I haven...Actually I don't know about YOLT as I haven't seen it in Spanish, but certainly all the Pierce Brosnan films have it the wrong way round. However an earlier film (perhaps Goldfinger, certainly Connery) had it right!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-117416349695015821.post-44422451807590015262014-04-09T20:05:26.449+01:002014-04-09T20:05:26.449+01:00Very curious. So no one winces in Spain when Hende...Very curious. So no one winces in Spain when Henderson asks Bond, "That was stirred, not shaken?" in You Only Live Twice? <br /><br />It's very plausible that the 'stirred, not shaken' form began as a translating error. It's very interesting that it has persisted. This would suggest that the 'stirred, not shaken' form expressed in one film was copied in the next, and so on, slowly becoming the dominant form. Evidently there has limited exposure to the 'shaken, not stirred' meme, reducing the chance that a correction would be made.Edward Biddulphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13958778222555710461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-117416349695015821.post-66460770517850842392014-04-09T10:21:04.264+01:002014-04-09T10:21:04.264+01:00The funny thing about the meme is that it doesn...The funny thing about the meme is that it doesn't exist over here. I've had the conversation with both Catalans and Italians who repeat the "I don't just like James Bond, I want to BE james Bond" (to the amazement of my other half), but when I've ordered martinis (gin and vodka) in Barcelona they have always asked me if I want it shaken or stirred.<br /><br />When I ask it to be served like James Bond, they have always asked me how that is. There is a possible explanation for this as the films I've seen dubbed into Spanish reverse the line, so Bond's Spanish martinis and stirred, not shaken. <br /><br />I'm not sure why this is, as Spanish editions of the books don't make this mistake (on the few occasions it actually occurs), so presume it was an error in translating early on that has persisted.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-117416349695015821.post-88417708775574685442014-04-08T20:07:24.401+01:002014-04-08T20:07:24.401+01:00You're absolutely right - it's personal ch...You're absolutely right - it's personal choice, and however the martini's prepared, that's the right way. This is, though, an argument that will run and run. The idea that Bond's wrong is so well established, that any mention of shaken or stirred will bring counter arguments from know-it-alls! Mind you, that's not necessarily a bad thing. In a way it's all part of the Bond phenomenon, helping to keep James Bond alive in popular culture.Edward Biddulphhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13958778222555710461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-117416349695015821.post-32848659807394272832014-04-08T10:09:42.982+01:002014-04-08T10:09:42.982+01:00I don't know why this "argument" con...I don't know why this "argument" continues, at the end of the day it is down to personal preference and there can therefore be no right or wrong answer.<br /><br />Like it shaken? Go ahead.<br /><br />Prefer it at room temperature? Your choice.<br /><br />Don't like the way I mix my martinis? Too bad, leave me in peace and I'll enjoy it on my own.<br /><br />Thanks for the link to my book, much appreciated.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com